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Are there any flea markets craft shows scheduled 6/5 thru 6/9/08 in beach haven, bicentennial park?

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Sadly, the Beach Haven (town) website calendar isn't working and neither is the Southern Ocean County Chamber of Commerce one! (You can call either party and ask, I guess...)

But, my observation is that it is too early in the "season" to hold anything there that early in June.

I would call and ask to be sure.

I just read an article that the summer shore rental business is way down. Anyone have any news?

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Not from what I hear. Where did you read that? Still some stuff available but not "way down".

We have a summer home on LBI, and with 3 children ages 11, 9, and 5 I was wondering where to find out about sporting clinics on the Island (ie. softball, Lacrosse, tennis, art programs etc.). We have done the weekly camp at Loveladies Arts Foundation and it's fabulous, but can't seem to find out any info. on other types of kids clinics/camps.

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You can check out the Saint Francis Center programs on their website.

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(add the dot after www)

Just got an error message that links are now disabled in posts. That's not cool. Makes me not want to help around here.

We have a summer home on LBI, and with 3 children ages 11, 9, and 5 I was wondering where to find out about sporting clinics on the Island (ie. softball, Lacrosse, tennis, art programs etc.). We have done the weekly camp at Loveladies Arts Foundation and it's fabulous, but can't seem to find out any info. on other types of kids clinics/camps.

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Barnegat Light still has openings in its Lifeguard In Training (LIT) program which his a big hit with kids. Call Borough Hall at 609-494-9196 for information.

is there some sort of mass transportation that can get you to ac from lbi (boat, bus, etc)??

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Black Whale cruises runs a boat down to AC. See: blackwhalecruises.com. There are also casino runs by Trolley Tours Inc. See: trolleytoursinc.com

I'll be on LBI next week for a few days and I'm staying at the Engleside. The pictures on their website look nice, but it would be great to get opinions from those who have been guests of the hotel.

Thanks!

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They allow pets off season

I'll be on LBI next week for a few days and I'm staying at the Engleside. The pictures on their website look nice, but it would be great to get opinions from those who have been guests of the hotel.

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I always stay at the Engleside Inn. I do not go there this time of year, I go in August when it is very crowded. I think you get pretty good deals now on rooms. When I go in August, it is VERY expensive. I have to book my room the year before because it is so crowded. I really like The Engleside. Nice pool. The Sand Bar is great to get an afternoon drink. The location is right on the beach. Rooms are clean but basic. Nothing fancy. I think Engleside is the best hotel on the island. I thought they only allowed dogs in October or November? I guess I was wrong. Have a good time.

I'll be on LBI next week for a few days and I'm staying at the Engleside. The pictures on their website look nice, but it would be great to get opinions from those who have been guests of the hotel.

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I always stay at the Engleside Inn. I do not go there this time of year, I go in August when it is very crowded. I think you get pretty good deals now on rooms. When I go in August, it is VERY expensive. I have to book my room the year before because it is so crowded. I really like The Engleside. Nice pool. The Sand Bar is great to get an afternoon drink. The location is right on the beach. Rooms are clean but basic. Nothing fancy. I think Engleside is the best hotel on the island. I thought they only allowed dogs in October or November? I guess I was wrong. Have a good time.

I'll be on LBI next week for a few days and I'm staying at the Engleside. The pictures on their website look nice, but it would be great to get opinions from those who have been guests of the hotel.

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I stayed at the Engleside once. It was ok, not great. Basically, your average motel. It's big draw is that it's right on the beach, and has a pool.

Did anyone sustain damage to their homes from the wind yesterday? I heard there were delays getting over the bridge and onto the island yesterday afternoon. Was this also weather related?

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Anybody know about Glendola, Holyoke, Iriquos area beaches

Did anyone sustain damage to their homes from the wind yesterday? I heard there were delays getting over the bridge and onto the island yesterday afternoon. Was this also weather related?

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Anybody know about Glendola, Holyoke, Iriquos area beaches

I'll be on LBI next week for a few days and I'm staying at the Engleside. The pictures on their website look nice, but it would be great to get opinions from those who have been guests of the hotel.

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lily 12 I did ready your reply the other day - thanks! I am bringing my dog with me - has anyone stayed at The Engleside with their pet? This will be the firt time staying in a hotel woth my dog - I generally rent a house on LBI

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lily12:

I am NOT the webmaster, but I will try to explain what I think i sgoing on here - there has been a problem with people getting an "error message" on the forum when they post. It has led to people, by accident, submitting their replies again and having multiple posts show up - just like yours did now.

There has also been a rash of spam messages posted. I *suspect* that the webmaster, in trying to "clean up" the board, made an error and deleted many LEGITIMATE posts.

I do NOT think it was done to delete your comments on purpose! This has happened before.

And, when I submit this, I will get another error message. I will leave that page alone and use another browser window to look at this website. That way, this answer will not be resubmitted and show up multiple times.

I'll be on LBI next week for a few days and I'm staying at the Engleside. The pictures on their website look nice, but it would be great to get opinions from those who have been guests of the hotel.

Thanks!

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I posted a comment in response to this question yesterday and it was deleted. I gave a very favorable review of the Engleside. Why would that be deleted when people give reviews of restaurants all the time???? NOT COOL PEOPLE.....NOT COOL AT ALL. Someone must be jealous that their establishment wasnt being reviewed or something....WHATEVER!!!!

I'll be on LBI next week for a few days and I'm staying at the Engleside. The pictures on their website look nice, but it would be great to get opinions from those who have been guests of the hotel.

Thanks!

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I posted a comment in response to this question yesterday and it was deleted. I gave a very favorable review of the Engleside. Why would that be deleted when people give reviews of restaurants all the time???? NOT COOL PEOPLE.....NOT COOL AT ALL. Someone must be jealous that their establishment wasnt being reviewed or something....WHATEVER!!!!

I'll be on LBI next week for a few days and I'm staying at the Engleside. The pictures on their website look nice, but it would be great to get opinions from those who have been guests of the hotel.

Thanks!

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I posted a comment in response to this question yesterday and it was deleted. I gave a very favorable review of the Engleside. Why would that be deleted when people give reviews of restaurants all the time???? NOT COOL PEOPLE.....NOT COOL AT ALL. Someone must be jealous that their establishment wasnt being reviewed or something....WHATEVER!!!!

There is currently an "error message" that you get when trying to post a reply. You may think that your response didn't get posted - but it does. (Just trying to eliminate double and triple posts.) Check the question *first* to see if your post is there, before submitting again.

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There are alot of postings that are gone. Probably has to do with them trying to get the problem corrected.

There is currently an "error message" that you get when trying to post a reply. You may think that your response didn't get posted - but it does. (Just trying to eliminate double and triple posts.) Check the question *first* to see if your post is there, before submitting again.

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Yes, the problem still exists as of today. For initial posts and replies. Could feel like we are developing double vision!

I'll be on LBI next week for a few days and I'm staying at the Engleside. The pictures on their website look nice, but it would be great to get opinions from those who have been guests of the hotel.

Thanks!

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Yesterday, there were some positive responses here. Also, multiple duplicate posts. They all vanished overnight.

There is currently an "error message" that you get when trying to post a reply. You may think that your response didn't get posted - but it does. (Just trying to eliminate double and triple posts.) Check the question *first* to see if your post is there, before submitting again.

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Sorry, I just did this above before I read this post!! I am not exactly a newbie, but it just goes to show....

I'll be on LBI next week for a few days and I'm staying at the Engleside. The pictures on their website look nice, but it would be great to get opinions from those who have been guests of the hotel.

Thanks!

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There are no reviews on this website. I have frequented their restaurant, but can't comment on the guest rooms. My sister did stay there one Thanksgiving when my house was over flowing, and said the room was "okay". Clean, but pretty basic. It is beach front, with a pool, in a good location in town.
I would check the reviews on other sites including tripadvisor.com for more detailed information.

I'll be on LBI next week for a few days and I'm staying at the Engleside. The pictures on their website look nice, but it would be great to get opinions from those who have been guests of the hotel.

Thanks!

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There are no reviews on this website. I have frequented their restaurant, but can't comment on the guest rooms. My sister did stay there one Thanksgiving when my house was over flowing, and said the room was "okay". Clean, but pretty basic. It is beach front, with a pool, in a good location in town.
I would check the reviews on other sites including tripadvisor.com for more detailed information.

Did anyone sustain damage to their homes from the wind yesterday? I heard there were delays getting over the bridge and onto the island yesterday afternoon. Was this also weather related?

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Beach Haven beaches took a big hit. The area around Taylor are have 5 foot drops from street to beach. Around the Sea Shell a lot od Dunes were lost.

I'll be on LBI next week for a few days and I'm staying at the Engleside. The pictures on their website look nice, but it would be great to get opinions from those who have been guests of the hotel.

Thanks!

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I wonder why the helpful answers were removed?

What is the best way to secure my gas grill so that it is not stolen again?

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I bought a cable bicycle lock and have ours locked to one of the pilings under the house.

What is the best way to secure my gas grill so that it is not stolen again?

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I bought a cable bicycle lock and have ours locked to one of the pilings under the house.

What is the best way to secure my gas grill so that it is not stolen again?

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I bought a cable bicycle lock and have ours locked to one of the pilings under the house.

Did anyone sustain damage to their homes from the wind yesterday? I heard there were delays getting over the bridge and onto the island yesterday afternoon. Was this also weather related?

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Does anyone know how the beaches in Beach Haven and LEHYC area held up after the storm?

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Does anyone know how the beaches in Beach Haven and LEHYC area held up after the storm?

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A quote from today's Atlantic City Press:

In Ocean County's Harvey Cedars, borough workers scrambled to barricade a beach entrance overtaken by the ocean. Public Works employees built a 6-foot wall of dirt to keep the ocean off the road.

Chris Donahower, who owns a home near the Hudson Avenue beach, climbed the dunes to inspect the damage. The ocean breaks through the dunes here every three or four years, he said. But now there is no dune at all.

"Beach replenishment is absolutely necessary, and it's mind-boggling that there are a dozen or so homeowners who haven't signed to let the Army Corps of Engineers do it," he said, shaking his head. "You think they'd do it for their own selfish reasons and the greater good."

The southern end of Long Beach Island, already in need of sand, lost 5 feet of dunes in places, Andy Baron, Long Beach Township's director of Public Works said. The wind ripped snow fencing from the ground.

"Signing the easements and getting the project done would make my job a lot easier," Baron said.

Baron said the storm hammered 15 blocks of beach in Holgate and another 18 throughout the township.

Did anyone sustain damage to their homes from the wind yesterday? I heard there were delays getting over the bridge and onto the island yesterday afternoon. Was this also weather related?

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Have not been to Surf City but LBT and Beach Haven got hit bad. In places there is a 5-6' drop from the street entrance to the level of the beach. Dunes have been cut back in those areas and it looks like cliffs. Will take a lot of grooming just to get the profile back. Let's hope the sand returns over the summer and can be bulldozed back to the dunes in the fall.

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Id be curious to hear how the new beaches in Surf City faired with this latest noreaster. Anyone check them out? Maybe this will make some of those oceanfront home owners think twice about not wanting the sand pumped in!

Where can I buy groceries when I get there?

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Just pulling your leg sb. With gas prices what they are many times it makes sense to shop on LBI all year 'round! And I agree with you about supporting the local businesses before they disappear.

Where can I buy groceries when I get there?

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what??

I am not sure what you mean by your comment. I was trying to convey that I don't find the traffic as bad during the off season, as it is during the summer. Therefore, the local merchants are even more convenient for me when the traffic is worse. As I stated, I try to shop them year round when they are open. Certainly they are not all open the same hours in the off season as in season.

Did anyone sustain damage to their homes from the wind yesterday? I heard there were delays getting over the bridge and onto the island yesterday afternoon. Was this also weather related?

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Causeway was shut down from around 9:30 AM to about 3:00 PM when they started escorting cars over at a limited speed. The bridge was reopened around 5:00 PM after wind gusts dropped below 45 MPH. Blvd was flooded from Ship Bottom to Beach Haven. Beaches took a real beating...a lot of sand gone and many places suffered dune loss.

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"It's certainly not as important during the off season" Maybe if you're not here it isn't ;)

is there some sort of mass transportation that can get you to ac from lbi (boat, bus, etc)??

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Search the frequently asked question. This has been asked many times before.

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I too, if at all possible, try to shop at the local merchants when they are open. We are losing many of the commercial properties on the island to residential properties. The convenience during the busy traffic months is really appreciated. It's certainly not as important during the off season, but I couldn't imagine having to go over to the mainland if they didn't exist.

Did anyone sustain damage to their homes from the wind yesterday? I heard there were delays getting over the bridge and onto the island yesterday afternoon. Was this also weather related?

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Yes a truck flipped on its side on the causeway prompting the police to start escorting cars across if an effort to keep their speed down.

Hey LBI fans and historians. I am Little Sister Susie.You may remember my brother Tim as one of the Wharf Rats that played guitar with Jim and Nancy down by the Lucy Evelyn. I want to know if anyone remembers them singing and what your memories are. My brother Tim unfortunately lost his battle with Chronic Lymphatic Leukemia 3 years ago and we miss him very much. Hope to hear from anyone that remembers those "good ol days.

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Yes, I watched them perform ~ 1966? Also, worked at Flo's Diner as a short order cook with Jim Ibbotson one spring. Many evenings drinking beer and playing guitar at his place with Alice and Tina. Remember "Summertime Blues" and something called "I've got something to say (sir)".

Where can I buy groceries when I get there?

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Cat,
What a typical local answer. "I will not shop on the island". How do you expect the local merchants to compete, stay open all year, price more competitively, when the local folk continue to shun them.
No wonder that there is such a turnover of business on the island. The people that live here don't even support them...

Is it true that the non-indigenous snake head has invaded NJ bays? If this is true, it will have the same effect as the Asian blowfish did in the 1960's, and '70's. Does anyone know if this is true?

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Weren't these theorized to have gotten here from the ballast tanks of cross ocean freighters from asia? I believe these are also gaining momentum in the Chesapeak Water Shed.

Here is another update regarding the bridge situation.

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Such forward thinking! A new design will be in place, so if the bridge does in fact, God forbid, collapse before the money is available to re-build it, they at least have the engineering /architectural renderings. I'm sure those renderings will offer little comfort to the victims, their families and the residents of the island should the bridge give way. Nothing about contingency plans in case of a disaster, no possible alternatives - ferry service ?.. no requests for emergency measures, no temporary fortification to forestall the ongoing deterioration, no call for weight limits, no traffic pattern alterations- just a call for action as NJ Dewd says. This way when the finger gets pointed, someone can say "Hey, I pressed the state to get the building plans in place". Vote for me!!
This is all well & good that someone is speaking up. but unless a backup plan is in place, it's meaningless rhetoric.

What is the best way to secure my gas grill so that it is not stolen again?

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Please file a police report - it will help everyone!

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29th Street, Beach Haven Gardens

Is it true that the non-indigenous snake head has invaded NJ bays? If this is true, it will have the same effect as the Asian blowfish did in the 1960's, and '70's. Does anyone know if this is true?

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Snakehead fish still comes up if you search for "snake head" but whatever...they do look nasty don't they.

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Where was it stolen from?

Is it true that the non-indigenous snake head has invaded NJ bays? If this is true, it will have the same effect as the Asian blowfish did in the 1960's, and '70's. Does anyone know if this is true?

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Oh "snakehead", I was looking for "snake head". I still didn't see a thing about them entering NJ bay waters.

What is the best way to secure my gas grill so that it is not stolen again?

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If you have an outside shower that locks you can store it in there.

Where can I buy groceries when I get there?

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do yourself a favor and stop at pathmark on the way down 72. You will save at least 30 % over island prices and the choices are much, much better. I live here, and will not shop on the island.

Just wanted to let anyone know who is interested....we were down last weekend and visited The Dark Star Cafe twice...once for a sit in lunch and once for a take out dinner. The food was very good and the staff was friendly and attentive. We would go back! Hope others also have a good experience. Enjoy!

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Everything there is made there. the pizza is very good and their salsa are excellent. We tried it once and now keep going back

Here is another update regarding the bridge situation.

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Basically, this is nothing but a call for action from the hometwon boys. It doesnt carry much weight as the state has an enormous deficit

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You could remove the propane tank and move it indoors if you are that concerned it may happen again.

What is the best way to secure my gas grill so that it is not stolen again?

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Plug it into an electric outlet? Or perhaps a very thick chain and heavy duty lock to the house or post of a deck?

I heard that this place is right over the causeway, and has excellent food. I also heard that this restaurant is owned by the same owners as Ship Bottom Shellfish, and The Black Whale. Is it the same quality, and does it make sense to try something off the island?

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I have often wanted to try this restaurant but have always been deterred by the long wait lines outside.

I guess that's a GOOD thing and the food must be good....I may just have to sucker up the patience and visit this summer.

Back in the 60's and 70's my crazy uncle from Vermont use to take us fish shooting in the mostly deserted northern end of the island. This "sport" is still legal in many states, and was wondering if it still is in NJ? Eels were always the toughest to shoot, and blowfish the easiest, but at the end of the day it wasn't easy to take home dinner. I would think that if it was still legal, the Marsh Shelter islands off of BHT would offer some great hunting grounds. In any case, is it still legal in NJ, and still considered a sport on LBI?

All my best to my crazy uncle Ed.

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I have actually heard of this method of "fishing".

Shooting into the water provided that fish with a nice headache where they were then captured. They are not actually shot and killed by bullets.

Is it true that the non-indigenous snake head has invaded NJ bays? If this is true, it will have the same effect as the Asian blowfish did in the 1960's, and '70's. Does anyone know if this is true?

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Is it just the head? That'd be a little scary having snake heads swimming in the bay! I checked Google but didn't see anything.

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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I just passed the new location of How to Live, it's in Haven Beach. Across the street from Cunningham's.

Here is another update regarding the bridge situation.

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Lawmakers want state to move now on bridge project
By ROB SPAHR Staff Writer, 609-978-2012
Published: Saturday, May 10, 2008


The 9th District state legislators are calling on the state Department of Transportation to start the planning phase of the Route 72 Bridge Re-placement Project immediately, despite recent claims by DOT Commis-sioner Kris Kolluri that future funding for the project will not be available.
On April 29, Kolluri gave testimony to the Senate Budget and Appropriations Committee in which he said the state would run out of funding for road, bridge and rail projects in three years unless new funding is found.

This would put the Route 72 bridge project, for which construction was expected to start in 2014, in serious jeopardy.

In a letter to Kolluri dated May 7, Sen. Christopher J. Connors and Assemblymen Brian E. Rumpf and Daniel M. Van Pelt, all
R-Ocean, Burlington, Atlantic, called on the administration to revise the state's capital improvement plan to prioritize the Route 72 bridge project and called any further delay on the project "completely unacceptable and irresponsible."

The legislators criticized the past and present administrations for sidelining the project due to a "supposed lack of funding" when other large-scale expenditures were secured for more than what is needed for the Route 72 bridge project.



"Our biggest point really is that money presently exists for what would easily
accomplish the design phase for this project and that would take several years of designing and engineering to complete before the money would be needed for construction," Rumpf said Friday. "This way the planning would already be done when the rest of the funds are identified and we can just move."
During the last 13 years, inspections of all four of the causeway's bridges uncovered examples of deterioration and fatigue. This caused state inspectors to label each of the bridges as structurally deficient.

Plans for the approximately $189 million project call for a new bridge to be built parallel to the existing Dorland J. Henderson Memorial Bridge, the renovation of the existing bridge and also the construction of three new trestle bridges along the causeway.

Rumpf, a member of the state's Coastal Evacuation Task Force, called the project imperative to the welfare of Long Beach Island's residents and the crowds of tourists that visit the island in the summer months.

"It is the only ingress and egress from the island to the mainland, and should there be some type of weather event, the problems facing those on the island will only be compounded by having a structurally deficient bridge as the only means of getting off the 18-mile-long island," Rumpf said. "And we don't know how much that bridge will be able to take before it is determined to be completely unusable."

If state officials are not swayed by concerns of public safety, the 9th District legislators also decided to highlight something they would care about potential loss of revenue.

"If the issue of public safety was not enough, the fact that these bridges serve as the gateway for the barrier island as well as a conduit for billions of dollars in tourism revenue generated for the state alone are sufficient and compelling reasons to commit to an accelerated completion plan for the project," they wrote in the letter to Kolluri.

The legislators insisted that this project is not one that can, or should, wait.

"It is not responsible to slow down this process," Rumpf said.


To e-mail Robert Spahr at The Press:

RSpahr@pressofac.com

I heard that this place is right over the causeway, and has excellent food. I also heard that this restaurant is owned by the same owners as Ship Bottom Shellfish, and The Black Whale. Is it the same quality, and does it make sense to try something off the island?

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Stu K
You're post reminds me of a Yogi Berra - ism. When asked if he ate in a particular NYC restuarant, Yogi replied, "nobody eats there anymore, it's too crowded". Enjoy Mud City Crabhouse, it's the best in the "Land of many mosquitoes".

Back in the 60's and 70's my crazy uncle from Vermont use to take us fish shooting in the mostly deserted northern end of the island. This "sport" is still legal in many states, and was wondering if it still is in NJ? Eels were always the toughest to shoot, and blowfish the easiest, but at the end of the day it wasn't easy to take home dinner. I would think that if it was still legal, the Marsh Shelter islands off of BHT would offer some great hunting grounds. In any case, is it still legal in NJ, and still considered a sport on LBI?

All my best to my crazy uncle Ed.

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I know this question seems silly, and everyone had fun with it; however, the following article is from the NY Times. It's still legal in VT, and we really pursue this sport on LBI. Something else that our crazy uncle Ed did, was build a bike ramp that we used at the Barnegat Lt. Yacht Basin to jump our bikes into the water. We tied a rope to them to retreive. You only live once!

NY Times article:
How to Catch Fish in Vermont: No Bait, No Tackle, Just Bullets
Published: May 11, 2004
The hunter's prey darted into the shadows, just out of reach of Henry Demar's gun.
''Come on, stand up and be counted,'' Mr. Demar whispered excitedly. ''There was a ripple that came out of the weeds. There's something out there.''
Dressed in camouflage, gripping his .357 Magnum, Mr. Demar was primed to shoot. But this time, no such luck. With a flick of its tail, his quarry -- a slick silvery fish -- was gone.
Fish shooting is a sport in Vermont, and every spring, hunters break out their artillery -- high-caliber pistols, shotguns, even AK-47's -- and head to the marshes to exercise their right to bear arms against fish.
It is a controversial pastime, and Vermont's fish and wildlife regulators have repeatedly tried to ban it. They call it unsportsmanlike and dangerous, warning that a bullet striking water can ricochet across the water like a skipping stone.
But fish shooting has survived, a cherished tradition for some Vermont families and a novelty to some teenagers and twenty-somethings. Fixated fish hunters climb into trees overhanging the water (some even build ''fish blinds'' to sit in), sail in small skiffs or perch on the banks of marshes that lace Lake Champlain, on Vermont's northwest border.
'They call us crazy, I guess, to go sit in a tree and wait for fish to come out,'' said Dean Paquette, 66, as he struggled to describe the fish-shooting rush. ''It's something that once you've done it . . .''
Mr. Paquette, a retired locomotive engineer, has passed fish shooting on to his children and grandchildren, including his daughter, Nicki, a nurse.
'You have to be a good shot,'' said Ms. Paquette, 31, who started shooting at age 6. ''It's a challenge. I think that's why people do it.''
Her 87-year-old great-uncle, Earl Picard, is so enthusiastic that, against the better judgment of his relatives, he frequently drives 75 miles from his home in Newport to Lake Champlain. Mr. Picard still climbs trees, although ''most of the trees that I used to climb in are gone,'' he said. ''You can sit up there in the sun and the birds will come and perch on your hat and look you in the eye.''
There is art, or at least science, to shooting fish, aficionados say, and it has nothing to do with a barrel. Most fish hunters do not want to shoot the actual fish, because then ''you can't really eat them,'' Ms. Paquette said. ''They just kind of shatter.''
Instead, said Mr. Demar, ''you try to shoot just in front of the fish's nose or head.'' The bullet torpedoes to the bottom and creates ''enough concussion that it breaks the fish's air bladder and it floats to the surface.''
Often the target is a female fish come to spawn in shallow water, accompanied by several male acolytes who might also be killed, or stunned, by the concussion.
'If you shoot a high-powered rifle, you can get a big mare and six or seven little bucks,'' Mr. Paquette said.
Permitted from March 25 to May 25, only on Lake Champlain, fish shooting has probably existed for a century. It also used to be legal in New York, which borders the huge apostrophe-shaped lake.
Virginia used to have several fish-shooting areas, said Alan Weaver, a fish biologist with Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries. Now, Mr. Weaver said, the only place is the Clinch River in remote Scott County, where, six weeks a year, people can shoot bottom-feeders like ''quill-back suckers and red-horse suckers.'' Virginia is the only other state where fish shooting is still legal, Vermont officials said.
In 1969, fish and wildlife officials in New York and Vermont banned fish shooting. But Vermonters were loath to sever the primal link between fish and firearm, so in 1970, the Legislature not only reinstated the sport, it also added fish like carp and shad to the target list, bringing the number to 10.
Since then, there have been several efforts to halt fish shooting. But they have been stopped by noisy objections from a small but dedicated bunch.
Advocates crossed the state in a near-blizzard to one public hearing in the late 1980's, recalled John Hall, a spokesman for Vermont's Department of Fish and Wildlife. In 1994, fish-shooters ''outnumbered the people who spoke against it by about four to one,'' said Brian Chipman, a state fisheries biologist.
State officials say shooters' claims that theirs is a fading tradition that will die out on its own have not proved true.
'We even think that some of the publicizing of this issue through efforts to pass laws against it has brought it more into the forefront,'' Mr. Chipman said.
The issue is apparently touchy enough that Howard Dean, governor from 1991 to 2003, ''has no interest in going on the record on that subject,'' said Walker Waugh, a spokesman.
Hunters like Mr. Demar, 45, joined recently by his half brother, Calvin Rushford, 56, and Calvin's 9-year-old grandson, Cody, say they make sure that their bullets hit the water no more than 10 feet from where they stand. That way, said Mr. Rushford, who like Mr. Demar is a disabled former construction worker, ''you'll have no problem because the bullet won't ricochet.''
Indeed, state officials say they know of no gunshot injuries from the sport. Bob Sampson, who allows occasional fish shooting on his marsh, remembers only one.
'I think he got shot in the stomach area,'' Mr. Sampson said of a shooting that he believes took place about 40 years ago.
Most hunters say the worst they have seen is people falling out of trees into frigid water. Mr. Demar said his brother Peter once ''shot, lost control and did a nose dive.'' ''He was purple when he come up out of the water,'' Mr. Demar said.
But Gordon Marcelle, a Vermont game warden who shot fish as a teenager, said every hunter safety course taught that shooting at water was ''one of the cardinal sins.''
State officials also say that fish shooting disturbs nesting birds and that killing spawning females could endanger the northern pike population (although so far there is no evidence it has).
Worst of all, state officials say, many shooters do not retrieve all the fish they kill. They leave behind fish they cannot find or do not want to wade after and fish that exceed the state's five-pike-a-day limit or fall under the 20-inch minimum length for northern pike. Mr. Marcelle recently found 18 dead fish left to rot.
Two dead fish recently greeted Mr. Demar and his companions at the marsh, a species he called mudfish. There were some frolicking muskrats, chickadees in the ash and willow trees plus shell casings from an 8-millimeter Mauser. (''Oh, that's made for blowing them out of the water,'' Mr. Rushford said.)
There were not, however, enough live fish to shoot. So Mr. Demar tested his gun on a log in the water, and spray shot up.
'I got a little water on my sunglasses,'' he said sheepishly. ''That's the thing about pickerel shooting. Afterward, you have to turn away, or you get sprayed in the face.''

Hi. Can you tell me the differences between the LBI communities? For example, which ones have the best beaches, which ones have nice shops, etc. Thanks.

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Tim, Great Job!
Holgate is really nice in Sept/Oct, though.

Where can I buy groceries when I get there?

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Shoregrocer must be expensive as compared to shop rite, tho'

Hi. Can you tell me the differences between the LBI communities? For example, which ones have the best beaches, which ones have nice shops, etc. Thanks.

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Starting from the north;

Barnegat Light; if you like quiet and isolation, the north end is for you. Very few crowds, and very little traffic. Like to fish, or own a boat? The inlet is right there, and there are many charters and head boats going out. The downside, of course, is the isolation. There are few attractions (except for the lighthouse) or stores. Going grocery shopping requires a long drive. Barnegat Light is beautiful, but if you have kids, they might get a bit bored.

Loveladies & Harvey Cedars; Don’t ask, you can’t afford it.

Surf City/Ship Bottom; Both are nice communities that are close to the causeway, and have shops, mini golf courses, ice cream places, and decent bayside beaches. The big attraction at Surf City used to be the trampolines, but unfortunately, they are long gone.

Brant Beach; My personal favorite. It’s a little quieter than Surf City/Ship Bottom, but still close enough to shops and mini golf. At Brant Beach begins Ocean Blvd, which is a slow speed roadway that runs south along the ocean all the way (sort of) to Beach Haven. If you like to bike or run, staying at Brant beach, or one of the towns south is a good idea. Also, a good bay beach on 68th st. I still love Brant Beach, but the day Wida’s disappeared is almost as sad as the day the Lucy Evelyn burned.

Towns south of Brant Beach & north of Beach Haven; Brighton Beach, Beach Haven Crest, Peahala Park Haven Beach, Beach Haven Terrace, etc, etc, all sort of blend together in my mind, with no clear distinction in my mind. All good, none bad, and they have Ocean Blvd (or Beach Ave) to bike on. Last year, we stayed at Peahala Park, and it was certainly convenient having the Acme right across the Blvd.

Beach Haven; Well, well, well…. If you’re looking for action, then of Beach Haven is for you. Beach Haven has everything the island has to offer; hotels, restaurants, bars, shops, rides, arcades, mini-golf, water slides, and so on. Beach Haven also has crowds, lots of them! And some of them can be quite young and rowdy (especially at night). But don’t get me wrong, I love Beach Haven, and always will. It’s a lot different from when I was young, but it still has Copper Kettle fudge, and they make the best fudge in the world.

Holgate; I wish I could love Holgate, because it has a lot going for it. It has the quiet and seclusion of the north end, but the bright lights of Beach Haven is not far away. But because of the nature preserve (I believe), Holgate has green flies, and they are nasty! The one time I stayed in Holgate, I tried to convince myself that we had just picked a bad week, but when I walked into the little south end store, and saw shelves of bug spray, and the employees wearing hats with green flies images on them, I realized the flies were permanent realized the flies were permanent residents.

That’s it! All in all, you can’t have a bad vacation on LBI!

I heard that this place is right over the causeway, and has excellent food. I also heard that this restaurant is owned by the same owners as Ship Bottom Shellfish, and The Black Whale. Is it the same quality, and does it make sense to try something off the island?

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Ship Bottom Shellfish has the most delish soft shelled crab sandwiches.First place I head when I come down to visit Mom.

Back in the 60's and 70's my crazy uncle from Vermont use to take us fish shooting in the mostly deserted northern end of the island. This "sport" is still legal in many states, and was wondering if it still is in NJ? Eels were always the toughest to shoot, and blowfish the easiest, but at the end of the day it wasn't easy to take home dinner. I would think that if it was still legal, the Marsh Shelter islands off of BHT would offer some great hunting grounds. In any case, is it still legal in NJ, and still considered a sport on LBI?

All my best to my crazy uncle Ed.

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"shoot at the water" - hope you don't miss!

Back in the 60's and 70's my crazy uncle from Vermont use to take us fish shooting in the mostly deserted northern end of the island. This "sport" is still legal in many states, and was wondering if it still is in NJ? Eels were always the toughest to shoot, and blowfish the easiest, but at the end of the day it wasn't easy to take home dinner. I would think that if it was still legal, the Marsh Shelter islands off of BHT would offer some great hunting grounds. In any case, is it still legal in NJ, and still considered a sport on LBI?

All my best to my crazy uncle Ed.

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btw, Fish shooting is still legal here in Vermont (last time I checked) It's done in the spring to cut back on invasive and non-game fish that compete with the game fish. You don't actually shoot the fish. You shoot a shotgun at the water and the concussion get's them.

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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The bywatyr shop has beautiful things. Thats always my first stop when I get there

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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"How to live" is not leaving the island, just their old location. I am not sure where they are reopening.

Are there any known "hauntings" on LBI? Some of my buddies and I are looking to go on a hunt for some ghosts when we visit in a couple of weeks and I was wondering if there are any places worth checking out

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I heard there is a house in Brant Beach on 42nd street that is haunted and several people have had experienced there. A friend told me about it years ago and knew the people.

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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Jobe's is now 'The Boardwalk.' Same place, same phone, and same stuff.

I heard that this place is right over the causeway, and has excellent food. I also heard that this restaurant is owned by the same owners as Ship Bottom Shellfish, and The Black Whale. Is it the same quality, and does it make sense to try something off the island?

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Be prepared to really wait; you might want to try Exit 63 Seafood a few blocks further west on Bay Ave, small place (15 or so tables)and BYOB. Ate there a few weeks back and it was very good, that night a good portion of the crowd was from 55+ developments along Rt 72.

I heard that this place is right over the causeway, and has excellent food. I also heard that this restaurant is owned by the same owners as Ship Bottom Shellfish, and The Black Whale. Is it the same quality, and does it make sense to try something off the island?

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Mud City is worth the 2 minute drive over the bridge. I have eaten at all 3 reastaurants. it does not have a liquor license so it makes it cheaper then the Black Whale. I haven eaten there numerous times and the food has always been fresh and excellent plus I fell the staff is so pleasant.

I heard that this place is right over the causeway, and has excellent food. I also heard that this restaurant is owned by the same owners as Ship Bottom Shellfish, and The Black Whale. Is it the same quality, and does it make sense to try something off the island?

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Mudd City is a bit cheaper in price than The Black Whale.Better get in line a huge crowd gathers.Try the Crab cakes~~~~~~~~~ the best!

Back in the 60's and 70's my crazy uncle from Vermont use to take us fish shooting in the mostly deserted northern end of the island. This "sport" is still legal in many states, and was wondering if it still is in NJ? Eels were always the toughest to shoot, and blowfish the easiest, but at the end of the day it wasn't easy to take home dinner. I would think that if it was still legal, the Marsh Shelter islands off of BHT would offer some great hunting grounds. In any case, is it still legal in NJ, and still considered a sport on LBI?

All my best to my crazy uncle Ed.

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Illegal

Hello,
My family owned a home in Holgate from 1973-1985 and I remember going to Coleman's Restaurant although I don't remember where it was or what it looked like. I believe it is no longer...what replaced it? Jeez...so many good memories growing up down there...so much so that I bought my own place in Beach Haven last year! Hope someone knows the answer to my question! Regards, Toni C.

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Toni, great memories! Appaloosa and Johnny Rosche at the St. Francis dances! Irnonically, years later John use to play pick up basketball in the St Francis CC (no kidding). John was friends with my older brother who use to charter a head boat out of BL and have a great "booze cruise". The band was always Appaloosa, and I'll never forget each year they played "The wreck of the Emmond Fitzgerald" as we made our way past the light. Toni, I don't know if you recall, but after 1977 Thundering Surf stopped allowing multiple riders after that one kid was slung out of the ride and broke his arm. It was not Thundering Surf after that and they removed all of the dirt that they deposited a couple of years before. Thanks for the memories~

Anyone know what's going on at Joe Pops? Went by over the weekend and all of the signs are gone.

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They are back open..they were just doing rennovations in the offseason.

I saw a real estate listing showing the Terrace Tavern for sale. Does anyone know if they're planning on staying open for the season?

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Perhaps they are fishing hoping to get a big offer.

I saw a real estate listing showing the Terrace Tavern for sale. Does anyone know if they're planning on staying open for the season?

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Current ad:

http://thesandpaper.net/SandPaper%20Pages/sandpaper_page2.htm

Website:

http://www.theterracetavern.com/welcome.html

All looks well.

I suspect they will remain open - happens that way all the time.

Just wondering if the ACME supermarket was ever rebuilt as was planned? I heard they were going to knock down the old one last fall and build a new modern one in time for the 2008 season.

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Shoregrocer.com is the way to go. Forget going to the supermarket it's a waste of time and overpriced on the island. These guys are reliable, there when you check in and the groceries are fresh and priced right.

Where can I buy groceries when I get there?

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I used that service last summer also and it's perfect. Go to shoregrocer.com and put your order in. The guys that work there are also great, I wanted something that was not in there store and they got it for me anyway. This service is just what LBI needed.

Where can I buy groceries when I get there?

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Those places are good if you need a couple of quick things. If you are going for a week check out shoregrocer.com I used them last summer and it was a great service. You check in and they will deliver to your house. They do the whole island.

Surfers' actions prompt approval of ordinance prohibiting changing clothes in public
Wet suit examples lead to quick ruling
By NICHOLAS HUBA • MANAHAWKIN BUREAU • April 23, 2008

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LONG BEACH TOWNSHIP — Marianne Hurley is not against surfers using the Holgate beach, but rather against surfers changing out of their wet suits in plain sight of children and other area residents.

Hurley hopes a newly adopted ordinance will solve that problem.

The township's Board of Commissioners approved an ordinance during its April 4 meeting that would prohibit people from changing clothes in any public areas.

The ordinance was approved after no public comment on the issue.

"The purpose of this ordinance is to prohibit the changing of clothes in any public area or public street unless within a permanent enclosed structure," according to the text of the ordinance.

Hurley, who is the owner of Hurley's at Beach Haven, a hotel on Jacqueline Avenue, recalled one instance when a surfer changed right in front of her.

"My granddaughter was visiting, and I turned and looked out the window and saw a surfer stark naked standing there," Hurley said. "I do not think that there is any reason for that."

There is a changing station down the street that surfers can use, she said.

"Sometimes my husband will go out and tell them about the hut," she said. "Some of them are respectful and apologize while others come back with some comments."

Mayor DiAnne C. Gove said the ordinance came down to common sense.

"This ordinance is about people walking around in just a towel," Gove said. "There is no need for kids and families to see that."

Since the ordinance was adopted, Gove said she has received a number of e-mails on the ordinance, including some saying the governing body is anti-surfing.

"People think that we are anti-surfing, but that is not the case. We approved surfing beaches in the township two years ago," Gove said. "People need to be aware and sensitive to other people."

Township police will take a commonsense approach to enforcing the new ordinance, said Police Chief Michael Bradley.

"We will enforce it if we are called about it," Bradley said. "Not everyone needs to receive a summons about it; you can talk to them and correct the situation."

Anyone who is given a summons for violating the ordinance could be fined by the Municipal Court judge, Bradley said, adding the amount of the fine is up to the judge.

The area surfing community is concerned that no one was contacted when this ordinance was first discussed, said John Weber, East Coast regional manager for the Surfrider Foundation.

"They should have reached out to a member of the community," Weber said. "There is a total lack of communication, when it came to this ordinance."

Weber said most surfers follow the rules and "do not want people to see their naked butts."

Some residents of Holgate have not had any issues with surfers over the years.

Jean Marty, a resident of Janet Drive, said she has never had an issue with surfers disrobing in front of her house.

"When the surf is good, there are cars all over the place," Marty said. "For the most part, we really do not see them, and if we do, they are always respectful."

Hurley said she is not against surfers or surfing.

"They can surf; I have no problem with that," Hurley said. "I can't surf. I wish that I could."

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it is the disroping and changing in public that is the problem. Why dont you go down to a surfers beach and check it out for a day. No one is disputing that surfers take off their clothes and put on their wetsuits on the street in public. Some people are good at doing it by wrapping a towel around them so people do not see any exposed parts that are not supposed to be exposed. Others are not quick enough and some skin shows. Others make a mistake and the towel drops.
Try changing from a business suit to a bathing suit in public and see if you get arrested. It is not a surfer thing. If someone parked next to a beach and got changed into their bathing suits, that would also violate this law - and it should.

Where can I buy groceries when I get there?

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White's market in Barnegat Light.

Does anyone know when Atlantic Book Stores will be reopening? I tried calling but the phone isn't connected.

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The Beach Haven book store is fine and it has been open.

Does anyone know when Atlantic Book Stores will be reopening? I tried calling but the phone isn't connected.

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Gus, I think you're right.

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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Thank you all for your great suggestions! I agree Cricket Cove is very nice. Jobe's has another name some "emporium" type name. They have a gazillion things. Especially like the tip about Morrison's- good one!! I will definitely stop in. I hope "How to Live" store is not leaving LBI :(
I always buy my calendars there. One place, not mentioned, believe it or not, is the TruValue Hardware store across from Buckalew's. Went in there one super hot evening, just to get cool while waiting for the crew to finish their ice cream. They have two aisles, to the left as you go in, of really nice giftware-not trinkets- glassware, bowls, painted cabinets, and hostess gifts. Best of all, it's never crowded!!! You can really take your time and look.
As for the Tee - shirt- I've bought stuff from Cafe' Press. The store that sold the original shirt, also had many art gifts- oils & prints- much of the work done by Nancy Ghook, who I believe, was a local artist. The " A Summer Place of Beach Haven" design was copyrighted in 1976. Can't just plagiarize her work with a Cafe Press knockoff. You can still find some of her artwork - the one of Barnegat Light- in particular on notecards and prints. I have one such print- that I purchased over 25 years ago. Would love to find that vintage tee though.
Thanks again for all your suggestions. I'm certain, none of you own the shops mentioned - just the restaurants :)

Does anyone know when Atlantic Book Stores will be reopening? I tried calling but the phone isn't connected.

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Did I see a post over the winter asto the owner having difficult times now? Something about the lady that worked for her for many years passed away suddenly and her mom or someone else also passed away? Perhaps this is a different book store.

Anyone heard anything about this year's Blessing of the Fleet in Barnegat Light? I was wondering when it was going to be held this year? They only have last year's calander posted...

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They that go down to the sea in ships... To Capt. Marty -- one tough irishman. We miss him.

Where can I buy groceries when I get there?

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There's Shop-Rite on Route 72 just before you cross the bridge onto the island. They offer the best selection and prices. Depending on where you're heading, turning south on the Blvd, you have Defilgio's near Ship Bottom, Acme's in Peahala Park and then Murphy's Market in Beach Haven. Lots of smaller markets, but those are the largest on the south end of the island. I can't say what you have on the north end.

Hello,
My family owned a home in Holgate from 1973-1985 and I remember going to Coleman's Restaurant although I don't remember where it was or what it looked like. I believe it is no longer...what replaced it? Jeez...so many good memories growing up down there...so much so that I bought my own place in Beach Haven last year! Hope someone knows the answer to my question! Regards, Toni C.

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Jen,

I remember that slide like it was yesterday! My sister and I begged my Mom to go down it with us on those potato sacks and she wouldn't! Although I went down the fiberglass and concrete covered Thundering Surf, scrapped up knees and all I wouldn't ride my pink Big Foot skate board around the skateboard bowl. Do you remember that in the late 70's early 80's that there was actually a concrete skateboard bowl there with a fence around it?! I used to watch all my "cool" friends practically kill themselves trying to skate that thing! Also, my friend John used to work at Hartman's at Dante's Inferno...a little haunted house. You would go through it in a car and real live people dressed as Dracula and Frankenstein would come out and try to scare you. There was a turn where if you lean into it the car would fly off the tracks and they would have to turn on the lights and Dracula and Frankenstein would have to pick you up and put the car back on the track! Too funny! Toni C.

Surfers' actions prompt approval of ordinance prohibiting changing clothes in public
Wet suit examples lead to quick ruling
By NICHOLAS HUBA • MANAHAWKIN BUREAU • April 23, 2008

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LONG BEACH TOWNSHIP — Marianne Hurley is not against surfers using the Holgate beach, but rather against surfers changing out of their wet suits in plain sight of children and other area residents.

Hurley hopes a newly adopted ordinance will solve that problem.

The township's Board of Commissioners approved an ordinance during its April 4 meeting that would prohibit people from changing clothes in any public areas.

The ordinance was approved after no public comment on the issue.

"The purpose of this ordinance is to prohibit the changing of clothes in any public area or public street unless within a permanent enclosed structure," according to the text of the ordinance.

Hurley, who is the owner of Hurley's at Beach Haven, a hotel on Jacqueline Avenue, recalled one instance when a surfer changed right in front of her.

"My granddaughter was visiting, and I turned and looked out the window and saw a surfer stark naked standing there," Hurley said. "I do not think that there is any reason for that."

There is a changing station down the street that surfers can use, she said.

"Sometimes my husband will go out and tell them about the hut," she said. "Some of them are respectful and apologize while others come back with some comments."

Mayor DiAnne C. Gove said the ordinance came down to common sense.

"This ordinance is about people walking around in just a towel," Gove said. "There is no need for kids and families to see that."

Since the ordinance was adopted, Gove said she has received a number of e-mails on the ordinance, including some saying the governing body is anti-surfing.

"People think that we are anti-surfing, but that is not the case. We approved surfing beaches in the township two years ago," Gove said. "People need to be aware and sensitive to other people."

Township police will take a commonsense approach to enforcing the new ordinance, said Police Chief Michael Bradley.

"We will enforce it if we are called about it," Bradley said. "Not everyone needs to receive a summons about it; you can talk to them and correct the situation."

Anyone who is given a summons for violating the ordinance could be fined by the Municipal Court judge, Bradley said, adding the amount of the fine is up to the judge.

The area surfing community is concerned that no one was contacted when this ordinance was first discussed, said John Weber, East Coast regional manager for the Surfrider Foundation.

"They should have reached out to a member of the community," Weber said. "There is a total lack of communication, when it came to this ordinance."

Weber said most surfers follow the rules and "do not want people to see their naked butts."

Some residents of Holgate have not had any issues with surfers over the years.

Jean Marty, a resident of Janet Drive, said she has never had an issue with surfers disrobing in front of her house.

"When the surf is good, there are cars all over the place," Marty said. "For the most part, we really do not see them, and if we do, they are always respectful."

Hurley said she is not against surfers or surfing.

"They can surf; I have no problem with that," Hurley said. "I can't surf. I wish that I could."

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And furthermore, how is a towel any different than a skirt? There's nothing underneath, you say? Well how is this different than many people who don't wear underwear under their skirts? (or a thong - there might as well be nothing underneath) Isn't that trendy nowadays? And what about men in kilts? Is this all "indecent" now?!

Surfers' actions prompt approval of ordinance prohibiting changing clothes in public
Wet suit examples lead to quick ruling
By NICHOLAS HUBA • MANAHAWKIN BUREAU • April 23, 2008

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LONG BEACH TOWNSHIP — Marianne Hurley is not against surfers using the Holgate beach, but rather against surfers changing out of their wet suits in plain sight of children and other area residents.

Hurley hopes a newly adopted ordinance will solve that problem.

The township's Board of Commissioners approved an ordinance during its April 4 meeting that would prohibit people from changing clothes in any public areas.

The ordinance was approved after no public comment on the issue.

"The purpose of this ordinance is to prohibit the changing of clothes in any public area or public street unless within a permanent enclosed structure," according to the text of the ordinance.

Hurley, who is the owner of Hurley's at Beach Haven, a hotel on Jacqueline Avenue, recalled one instance when a surfer changed right in front of her.

"My granddaughter was visiting, and I turned and looked out the window and saw a surfer stark naked standing there," Hurley said. "I do not think that there is any reason for that."

There is a changing station down the street that surfers can use, she said.

"Sometimes my husband will go out and tell them about the hut," she said. "Some of them are respectful and apologize while others come back with some comments."

Mayor DiAnne C. Gove said the ordinance came down to common sense.

"This ordinance is about people walking around in just a towel," Gove said. "There is no need for kids and families to see that."

Since the ordinance was adopted, Gove said she has received a number of e-mails on the ordinance, including some saying the governing body is anti-surfing.

"People think that we are anti-surfing, but that is not the case. We approved surfing beaches in the township two years ago," Gove said. "People need to be aware and sensitive to other people."

Township police will take a commonsense approach to enforcing the new ordinance, said Police Chief Michael Bradley.

"We will enforce it if we are called about it," Bradley said. "Not everyone needs to receive a summons about it; you can talk to them and correct the situation."

Anyone who is given a summons for violating the ordinance could be fined by the Municipal Court judge, Bradley said, adding the amount of the fine is up to the judge.

The area surfing community is concerned that no one was contacted when this ordinance was first discussed, said John Weber, East Coast regional manager for the Surfrider Foundation.

"They should have reached out to a member of the community," Weber said. "There is a total lack of communication, when it came to this ordinance."

Weber said most surfers follow the rules and "do not want people to see their naked butts."

Some residents of Holgate have not had any issues with surfers over the years.

Jean Marty, a resident of Janet Drive, said she has never had an issue with surfers disrobing in front of her house.

"When the surf is good, there are cars all over the place," Marty said. "For the most part, we really do not see them, and if we do, they are always respectful."

Hurley said she is not against surfers or surfing.

"They can surf; I have no problem with that," Hurley said. "I can't surf. I wish that I could."

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"...and was standing there in nothing but a towel."

how about ...and was standing there on the beach in nothing but shorts.

or how about ...was standing there in nothing but a business suit.

My point is either way your covered up. And the towel covers a heck of a lot more than what most people wear to the beach. Get real and stop searching for something to fuss over.

Does anyone know where I can find the same bikes that are on the cover of this weeks Sand Paper? How about a name of the bikes....I Love them gotta get me one with these gas prices.

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yankeemom is 100% right on...Walters is the only place to go....there are so many shops on the Island, I have found Walters to be the most trust-worthy.

Hi. Can you tell me the differences between the LBI communities? For example, which ones have the best beaches, which ones have nice shops, etc. Thanks.

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106 north to 89th... just the best surf around - depending on the size of swell and direction of wind.

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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For the tee shirt, google cafe press.THey make tee's.Good Luck!

Does anyone know when Atlantic Book Stores will be reopening? I tried calling but the phone isn't connected.

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I see that no one has replied yet, so I will post what little I know. Their website says a "Spring" opening and there is nothing posted on their doors or windows, except for the construction permit.

I know you didn't ask, but I think it is a good idea to support the locally owned and operated bookstore in Beach Haven. It has been there since I was a kid.

Just wondering if the ACME supermarket was ever rebuilt as was planned? I heard they were going to knock down the old one last fall and build a new modern one in time for the 2008 season.

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The same overpriced ACME is still there. I used shoregrocer.com last summer and it was great. I ordered everything online, checked in and they delivered it. Very professional - great service. Made my check in day so much less stressful.

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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Oh... and Under The Mistletoe, in Beach Haven, south of Bay Village and on the main drag. Christmas decorations.

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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I called Morrison's. They have no plans to move. Still in Beach Haven on the bay side. It really does have some very cool things.

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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I also like Cricket Cove, they have quality things, not just "junk". Morrison's surprised me when I went-I thought it was just boating supplies. but it also has some cute nautical themed decorating objects. I also like the "How to live...." shop. They were in Beach Haven, but the last time I was down, they were moving, but I am not sure where.

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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Morrison's Ship's Store is pretty cool. They have a website, too.

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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We like CRICKET COVE in Beach Haven. The very nice lady there has an interesting mixture of nice things.

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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I like Jobe's in south Beach Haven. Informal and nothing fancy. Is it still named Jobe's?

Hello,
My family owned a home in Holgate from 1973-1985 and I remember going to Coleman's Restaurant although I don't remember where it was or what it looked like. I believe it is no longer...what replaced it? Jeez...so many good memories growing up down there...so much so that I bought my own place in Beach Haven last year! Hope someone knows the answer to my question! Regards, Toni C.

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I had to laugh when you mentioned the old Thundering Surf. I have pictures of my dad, my brother and myself coming down the tube on the mat. And yes, my legs and back were always cut up and bruised. That is so funny!

Do you remember the big slide green and white slide that you would come down in a potato sack?

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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I like Hands in Beach Haven Terrace

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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Good Life Boutique is on the corner of 22nd St. and the Blvd. in Surf City. They have a nice mix of things from kids (unusual nicer kids stuff, not cheap 5 and 10) to home gift items.

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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There is also Wildflowers and North End Trilogy on Broadway Ave. in Barnegat Light.

Hi. Can you tell me the differences between the LBI communities? For example, which ones have the best beaches, which ones have nice shops, etc. Thanks.

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Surf City is nice.:)

Just wondering what are your favorite gift shops, other than in Bay Village.
Anyone have any "off the beaten path" favorites? After awhile, you just don't want to see the "same old" stuff.
As a PS, I'm also asking again about those " A Summer Place" T shirts that were sold back in the 70's by a shop aptly called "A Summer Place"! I've searched everywhere and would love to find this vintage Tee - so much nicer, than the "screaming" tees you see today or the tees you see now that you could buy in any beach town. These tees were unique to Beach Haven. Thanks.

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Viking Village in Barnegat light has very nice stores.Have you tried looking for the shirt on ebay?